tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post1466360520558848319..comments2024-03-02T22:32:30.636+00:00Comments on consider, evaluate, act: Making a pig's ear over swine flu - the Jenkins/Goldacre debate over media coverage of H1N1teekbloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16373974669367838018noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post-35990407300254768482009-05-05T08:16:00.000+01:002009-05-05T08:16:00.000+01:00@ bengoldacre: yep, good point - risk is independe...@ bengoldacre: yep, good point - risk is independent of whether it manifests, if that point is lost on me then Jenkins has somewhat less chance of getting it...!teekbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16373974669367838018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post-80459366963973999302009-05-04T21:45:00.000+01:002009-05-04T21:45:00.000+01:00ace. just wanted to say, time will not prove jenki...ace. just wanted to say, time will not prove jenkins right or wrong. <br /><br />if the current risk of a pandemic does not manifest into a pandemic, that will not change the fact that there is currently a risk of a pandemic. <br /><br />similarly we have not had a SARS outbreak, or bird flu (yet), but that does not mean they were not risks previously. <br /><br />/pedantrybengoldacrehttp://www.badscience.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post-21514727327760229482009-05-01T10:38:00.000+01:002009-05-01T10:38:00.000+01:00@yesalem - love the gallows humour spoof.
Spent ...@yesalem - love the gallows humour spoof. <br /><br />Spent the last two weeks in France and UK and on both radio and TV in both countries I have only heard cautious, sober, realistic warnings from the scientists/medics when they were presented to speak for themselves. And that even allows for media types to do their selective editing. As has been widely observed, it is the media themselves that CGRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post-62660291484380044352009-04-30T22:12:00.000+01:002009-04-30T22:12:00.000+01:00Ooh. Elektro-magnetical wave forse front. Meh hat ...Ooh. Elektro-magnetical wave forse front. Meh hat = tin foil.Peter Blanchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11833501139222950558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post-77378153067802471052009-04-30T21:05:00.000+01:002009-04-30T21:05:00.000+01:00http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts...http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=9047<br /><br />yr hell mate will protect u like a vaccine does-:) Bahyesalemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16034576756336250674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post-72474468205501771552009-04-30T20:59:00.000+01:002009-04-30T20:59:00.000+01:00@Yesalem - I pwn ur base. All ur d00ds iz dead.@Yesalem - I pwn ur base. All ur d00ds iz dead.Peter Blanchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11833501139222950558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post-62590568338591079842009-04-30T20:55:00.000+01:002009-04-30T20:55:00.000+01:00http://www.nesh.com/main/nejh/samples/winston.html...http://www.nesh.com/main/nejh/samples/winston.html<br /><br /><br />It was called "the Great White Plague." It is hard to imagine the devastation caused by the Flu Epidemic of 1918-19. People who lived through it reported that some one who was up and well in the morning could be dead by evening.<br /><br />Dr. H. A. Roberts was a physician on a troop ship at the time. Another boat pulled yesalemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16034576756336250674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post-22605415812353950642009-04-30T19:50:00.000+01:002009-04-30T19:50:00.000+01:00I'd be prapred to put money on Jenkins being near ...I'd be prapred to put money on Jenkins being near the front of the queue to condemn the WHO and medical profession for complacency if it <I>did</I> turn into a global pandemic.pjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06832177812057826894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post-80257524101787493882009-04-30T18:53:00.000+01:002009-04-30T18:53:00.000+01:00da aporkalypse pwn u. It killz yr d00ds in yr base...da aporkalypse pwn u. It killz yr d00ds in yr base.<br /><br />Political interference in public health policy has also eroded public confidence in public health communications. Edwina Curry, anyone? Of course, the media descended on Curry like a flock of vultures, or perhaps a pack of hyenas. And some elements of the media will knee-jerk against any public health message because they are Peter Blanchardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11833501139222950558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post-79263086822244316062009-04-30T16:24:00.000+01:002009-04-30T16:24:00.000+01:00I, for one, think the sandwich-board Armageddon ty...I, for one, think the sandwich-board Armageddon types are on to something :)NMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04040267982634999807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post-67339641964457629142009-04-30T16:03:00.000+01:002009-04-30T16:03:00.000+01:00@ Rick: thanks for the comment. Fair point about c...@ Rick: thanks for the comment. Fair point about context, only I'd question how anybody is supposed to calculate the odds of the virus killing for example 180 million. I interpreted Ben's article as saying that this is precisely the sort of thing science cannot predict to any degree of accuracy, and that some amount of guesswork is required.<br /><br />But you're right about balance not coming teekbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16373974669367838018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-488262047686109051.post-34467321740047186462009-04-30T15:50:00.000+01:002009-04-30T15:50:00.000+01:00The problem is context. It's all very well to say ...The problem is context. It's all very well to say "Well, 180 million dead IS a possibility" if we don't know how possible that is.<br /><br />It could be a one in a billion chance that the virus will turn out so devastating, but we'd never know that from the coverage.<br /><br />Ben's article is fine: yes, they're merely stating risks. Yes, the papers are a vastly devauled currency on these Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11807517683843894996noreply@blogger.com